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ILLEGAL immigration.
-gives the countries the immigrants are leaving NO reason to reform or grow.
ILLEGAL immigration
-creates a permanent underclass of under-paid exploited workers.
ILLEGAL immigration
-is supported by Unions, both the Democratic and Republican parties, and the Catholic Church for purely selfish reasons; increased membership, cheap labor, increased contributions.
ILLEGAL immigration
-causes mistrust, fear, contempt for law, divisiveness.
ILLEGAL immigration
-insures that illegal immigrants continue to stay in the shadows, they don't need to be treated like American citizens.
ILLEGAL immigration
-means assimilation will never occur.
ILLEGAL immigration
-is a serious national security concern.
ILLEGAL immigration
-is a slap in the face to legal immigrants.
ILLEGAL immigration
-means cheaper vegetables, room rates in hotels/motels, construction costs.

Just like ending slavery adversely effected the price of cotton, ending illegal immigration will adversely effect the price of some products. Should slavery have been allowed to continue for that reason?

Date: 3/27/06 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-kumquat.livejournal.com
did you read about the protest last friday in phoenix?

15 - 20 thousand.

Date: 3/27/06 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mlknchz.livejournal.com
Protests all over the place; 100-200 thousand in L.A.

Date: 3/27/06 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-kumquat.livejournal.com
wild. people in phoenix don't often protest.

this was the largest.

Date: 3/27/06 03:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inertiam.livejournal.com
So what do you suggest? Easier legal immigration?

Date: 3/27/06 06:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mlknchz.livejournal.com
Yes. I have absolutely no problem with legal immigration.

Date: 3/27/06 06:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inertiam.livejournal.com
How would you go about preventing illegal immigration then? I don't buy into the notion that the borders can be secure, as is what seems to be the common impulse for a solution.

Date: 3/27/06 06:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mlknchz.livejournal.com
Well, first, I would not PROHIBIT local law enforcement agencies from checking immigration staus when arrests are made. I don't mean simply checking people when they're pulled over for a traffic stop, but when they've been arrested for another crime.
Simply actually enforcing current laws would help a great deal.
Of course borders can never be completely secure, but the total "hands-off" approach that's prevalent now certainly isn't working towards a solution.
People repeatedly break the law because
a) it's easy
b) there are no penalties when they're caught
c) we don't seem serious about enforcing the laws anyway
d) they're desperate to leave their countries of origin because of wide-spread poverty.
Of course, working to better conditions in the countries these people are leaving would go a long way towards solving the issue.

Date: 3/27/06 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] radrover.livejournal.com
I'm a little bothered by the way you single out the Catholic church -- the church can be extremely vile when it gets involved in politics, but I don't really see how they aggravate the problems of illegal immigration any more than the other christian organizations I'm familiar with.

all in all, this is a great collection of arguements. what brought it on?

Date: 3/27/06 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mlknchz.livejournal.com
I singled out the Catholic Church because they have been instrumental in organizing the protests in a way that no other church has. The fact of the matter is that most illegal immigration coming from Central or South America is, of course, of that religion. They don't aggravate the problem, but they DO have more to gain from the issue than other religions do. I believe , on this issue, they are acting hypocritically, or at least disingenuously.

What brought it on was my frustration with people who argue that being against illegal immigration makes one either racist or against immigration as a whole. They are two separate issues, and they have to be thought of in that way, or no solution will ever be found.

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